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Post by Kimble on Mar 23, 2008 11:43:47 GMT -5
Wow that's terrible. That's not even good in any way...or hip hop for that matter. Jesus Christ. It sounds like Timmy from South Park.
I miss the days when rap & hip hop didn't suck.
With that said, I'm going to start making music this terrible. Maybe I'll get rich from having no talent too.
PS Who the fuck is Soulja Boy anyway?
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Post by doo doo on Mar 23, 2008 19:46:37 GMT -5
I`ve just heard the new song from Soulja Boy new song, so I take it you are familiar with "Crank Dat" and shit, right? cause that shit is re-dic. I actually heard this song last fucking night. it's so bad that the crowd reaction was more or less "what the fuck" as bad as Crank Dat was, at least it made a lot of fine girls I know dance.
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Post by Harlan Banks on Mar 23, 2008 21:26:52 GMT -5
Just list bands we hate? Made it a little unclear there, MacReady
Greatful Dead, Def Leppard, most Led Zepplin stuff. Green Day, Creed
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Post by Jack Burton on Apr 3, 2008 1:39:07 GMT -5
But theres a lot there, just need to find it. The problem with heavy metal music nowadays is that you have to sift through so many shit albums and bands before you actually find something that's good and original. Death metal has become so mediocre and repetitive with every band trying to sound like Deicide, Cannibal Corpse or Morbid Angel these days. Pure imitation and zero innovation from new death metal bands, I find. Black metal - heh, when shit like Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth can become household names, it really makes me wonder where this subgenre is going. Norway's golden age of black metal during the 90s is well and truly over. There are a few black metal bands producing interesting material in France (of all places?), though: Blut Aus Nord and Deathspell Omega are worth mentions, and Mayhem's last few efforts have given me a bit of hope. Emperor and Immortal have both recently reformed, but for what reason isn't entirely clear. It seems to be the flavour of the month for bands who haven't been together for approximately 10 years to reform and cash in on the demand for their live shows without really giving us any real hint as to whether or not they'll release new studio material (add At The Gates, Carcass, Cynic and Atheist to that list). Thrash metal - I might be wrong here, but there hasn't really been a new (this being the operative word here) pure thrash metal (none of this neo-thrash, post thrash, metalcore thrash shit) band that has come along and taken the metal world by storm for some time now. The old timers like Slayer, Exodus, Megadeth and Anthrax are still impressive live, but their efforts in the studio have been rather mediocre of late. Metalcore - despite my comment above, I do have a soft spot for a few bands in this new subgenre, but the large majority of bands here are annoying and crap: Killswitch Engage, Trivium and Shadows Fall, I'm looking right at you. I could probably rant a little more, but I think I've made my point and I've probably left myself wide open to a roasting from those who are better versed with heavy metal music at the moment. I'm not necessarily taking a swipe at metal as I still love listening to it daily, but my post is somewhat akin to a plea for people to recommend new, decent and original metal bands doing the rounds out there at the moment.
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Post by Jack Burton on Apr 3, 2008 1:53:48 GMT -5
And yeh, I think U2, Creed and any modern "r&b" are all shit
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Post by Voelkermord on Apr 3, 2008 2:29:56 GMT -5
Jack Burton,
Do you like Kataklysm at all? There is also a German "medieval" metal band called In Extremo that I like alot, if that is your thing...
It's all in the reflexes
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Post by pab on Apr 3, 2008 5:14:16 GMT -5
Kataklysm are ace.
As for thrash, check out Evile and Municipal Waste.
Other bands to check out are: In Mourning and Degradead. Both fine melodic death metal bands.
The reforms, as far as im aware, are just for festivals or, if roumers are to be belived, a tour or two. No mention of any new material from Emperor, Athiest or Carcass. Id hope there was some more ATG stuff, but would much rather hear some new stuff from The Crown (who if you havent checked out yet, i urge you to).
It does annoy me a bit that people say that "oh all bands these days are shite" and then only list the main stream metal bands. Just look a little deeper and maybe put Kerrang and Metal Hammer down.
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Post by doo doo on Apr 3, 2008 9:38:46 GMT -5
People are informed by something so accessible and pervasive, so ingrained that it is very hard to do something new. Look at film, painting and fashion - it suffers just as badly. Genres replicate. gold.
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Post by Colonel John Matrix on Apr 3, 2008 14:33:49 GMT -5
How many genres and sub-genres of metal are there? Jesus...
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Post by Lord Chenney on Apr 3, 2008 15:01:19 GMT -5
a lot.
i personally think that there's no new ground to be broken in metal. all recent stuff ive heard just sounds like an old band or a cross between 2 different older bands. even if the older bands production, sound or whatever is not up to that of the newer band, you can hear in a good old band that they had nothing but their balls, their guitars and that sense of danger. a new band will inherit an old style, and that style took that element of balls-out-metal spirit to create.
if you put say venom up against any new death/extreme band, venom will lose all the relevant battles - musicianship, sound, production, heaviness - but theyd romp to victory in a 'whos the most interesting and relevant' contest hands down. its just a much more rewarding experience. you can literally smell the energy. and it smells a lot better to me.
no matter how good a new band is, their mojo - or that indescribable thing that i judge metal on - just isnt the same. if youve broken some rules and are doing something for the first time, it will always be better. plus theres SO many forgotten metal bands out there so the supply of good shit is inexhaustable and renders my need to follow and buy new stuff redundant. even if a band has a 'new' idea in all probability its a bit rubbish and their money shot will always be to resort to a groove or sound thats been done before.
but thats just like my opinion man.
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Post by Jack Burton on Apr 3, 2008 17:11:02 GMT -5
I apologise for hijacking the thread because most of what I said was probably better suited to the "Metal" thread. Kataklysm, I've heard alot about, yet I haven't actually listened to this "Northern Hyperblast" that so many people speak of. They were actually here in town just a few weeks ago but I didn't see them. Sort of just forgot that they were touring Australia. Is there a particular album of theirs that I should listen to? I was in Europe during last year's northern summer primarily to see Emperor, Atheist, Immortal and Cynic all perform live. Really good times, but I do question the integrity of the band if they're simply just doing these live shows because the offer, along with a wad of cash, was there on the table. Atheist I always knew were just doing a reunion/farewell tour in one go to co-incide with the re-issuing of their catalogue and it was never really their intention to write new material. I spoke to a few of the lads from Cynic when I was in Frankfurt and they said that they were toying with the idea of releasing new material and even played a new song during their shows. As for Immortal, Emperor and At The Gates: I'd love to hear new material from any or all of these bands. "Slaughter of the Soul" is, for me, a landmark in the melodic death metal genre and nothing before or after it has quite had the same effect on me as this slab has. It pretty much got me into extreme metal and exposed me to European metal as a whole. I realise that there's a wealth of good bands out there to be uncovered, pab, but I find that there are too many bad bands that outweight the good and that it can be quite arduous to listen to a plethora of average bands and albums before uncovering a gem. There was a time when I used to pick up random demo tapes, bedroom EPs and the like from a bunch of obscure bands from here in Australia and abroad, but I prefer to just spend my money on good quality albums or my time listening to the classic albums that I already own. I agree with what Lord Chenney said: no matter how good a new band is, their mojo - or that indescribable thing that i judge metal on - just isnt the same. if youve broken some rules and are doing something for the first time, it will always be better. I couldn't agree more. As I said, why would I want to listen to At The Gates Clone #753 when I can just listen to At The Gates? Same goes with a band like Dragonforce for instance. Not a bad band (hardly my favourite, though). The influence that Iron Maiden has had on their sound is undeniable. Sure, Dragonforce play much faster and with much more vigour and energy than Iron Maiden have or ever will, but Iron Maiden wins hands down - why? Because they were writing timeless riffs, hooks and leads when Dragonforce were crapping in their hands and wiping it on their face
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Post by Lord Chenney on Apr 3, 2008 17:19:50 GMT -5
at the gates rule. i saw them in 96 at the astoria 2 in london. i was onstage with tomas, singing terminal spirit disease and i put my t-shirt over his head. i have never seen it again.
nowadays, in flames and a load of other swedish 'melodic' bands are just using the sound ATG created. with greater musicality and technique, but ultimately they lacked that initial injection of the spirit of the wild.
(waits expectantly until pab gets online...)
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Post by Jack Burton on Apr 3, 2008 18:00:04 GMT -5
At The Gates were brilliant. As I said, "Slaughter of the Soul" is unparalleled. I hate you, Lord Chenney, for having seen them live. If I had the time and cash, I'd be booking a flight back to Europe in July to see them live with Carcass.
Even their early releases, particularly "Gardens of Grief" and "The Red in the Skys is Ours" displayed a rawness and sheer energy that hasn't been quite matched by any of their Göteborg contemporaries or the imitators that followed in their path following their untimely demise. The influence that ATG had on the melodic death metal scene in Sweden is such that pretty much all of their contemporaries insisted on borrowing and using their gear (amps, instruments and recording equipment) in order to replicate their sound.
In Flames were quite good up to and including "Colony". It's been all downhill since then. I hadn't had the chance to see them live and had been really keen on checking them out for some time and got the chance when they opened for Iron Maiden when I saw them in Germany last year. Without doubt the most disappointing performance by a band that I'd ever seen. I was well aware that their best days were behind them but was still hoping that they'd pull out a few classics from "Whoracle", "Lunar Strain" and "The Jester Race". Instead, I was privy to an hour of sleep-inducing "Korn on steroids" bullshit.
Dark Tranquillity have been consistent over the years and I respect them for that. I never thought their songwriting was really up there with the best, but they're hard-working and put on a very professional and enjoyable live performance.
Another old melodic death metal band from Sweden that almost go unnoticed these days were Eucharist. They only released two albums, but their second album "Mirrorworlds" is top notch.
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Post by Lord Chenney on Apr 3, 2008 18:29:00 GMT -5
just wait till pab gets here.
to light the blue touch paper.
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Post by pab on Apr 4, 2008 5:10:25 GMT -5
I dont think that In Flames were copying the ATG sound, as they were around at the same time and both played a part in the Gothenburg sound, which a whole host of other bands have since copied. Other than that.....im not rising to it. No, I am Zen. I agree that pretty much every sub genre in metal has been done, which is why there are so many godawful experimental bands about at the moment. But, I dont care. My fave bands are all from the Gothenburg sound melodic death metal, old and new. The newer bands are trying to do the old style MDM, like old In Flames, old Dark Tranquillity, whereas the old school are trying something new and progressing and trying new things, and I respect them a lot more than churning out the same album every couple of years, like Slayer. I hear next year Kerry King may have actually written a second solo!
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